Anxiety in the Pharmacy | Molly Koelzer, B.A. Com.

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[00:00:12] Mike: Well, hello, Molly. Hi dad, 

[00:00:15] Molly: dad. Yeah, this is my first podcast, but I'm honored to be on it with you. 

[00:00:22] Mike: Hey, great to have you on. So Molly, tell our audience why you were invited on the podcast. Well, 

[00:00:31] Molly: back in the day, um, I guess I shouldn't say that I'm 23 right now, but when I was, maybe started out when I was 15, uh, working at your pharmacy when I was in high school, probably my sophomore or junior year.

And I want to talk a little bit about that today, because I think it was a very back and forth thing for me. I loved the idea of working at the pharmacy. I liked that. Accessible to me as a job when I was that young. I know my friends maybe didn't have the option to work there, but yeah. So work there for a few years, uh, went to school and now, uh, I'm a couple of years out of, out of college and, uh, really just figuring out what's next for me, but it's fun to look back and know that it all started with a job at a pharmacy that I think really probably influenced my career choices more than I, I think it did.

So yeah, I'm happy to be here. 

[00:01:20] Mike: Probably affected them. Not always because of the good thoughts of it, but probably because of the bad thoughts of it too, right? 

[00:01:27] Molly: Yeah. I think looking back and I was kind of, I was thinking about being on here and really trying to pinpoint what I learned from the pharmacy.

And I think most of the bad things were also just it being my, my first job, probably a lot of anxiety around even just showing up to work. But then there were also good things too, about being in the community, especially in, you know, small town type farms. But yeah, definitely some learning lessons from the pharmacy.

Maybe not because of all good things, at least in my mind. 

[00:01:58] Mike: Well, to your credit, we, I kinda dragged you into the pharmacy. I think that was back right. When we were trying to get through, what would you call a reduction in hours? Or we, we had to downsize a little bit in some pharmacist staff, but to make up for that, we had some positions that were lacking.

And so we kind of dragged you in there. Would that be fair to say? 

[00:02:27] Molly: Yeah, I guess I forgot about that up until now, because I do remember it being like, just we need ya, you know, just come, come work. And I think that's what really got me out of my shell in the first place, um, to not just, you know, use a summer sitting around.

Um, but just to have, and I think I started maybe with even just 10 hours a week, but knowing that you need it. And I think when I was there, I could tell that I was. Which I think was something new for me to actually, you know, have tasks delegated to me, but also my two older siblings were working there already.

Um, so I think that helped too to know that they were already involved and I remember they seem to really like it. So I think that I was comparing it to when we used to all go on, you know, a Sunday morning and it seemed very. Relaxed, which it probably was on a 

[00:03:11] Mike: Sunday. Well, call us. Cause you guys got to come in and get candy and pop.

[00:03:16] Molly: We got candy and pop, but I also thought all of that was free. Um,

but, uh, so yeah, that's what I knew about pharmacies. 

[00:03:26] Mike: I, you used to say that my grandpa used to say that grandma would always say there was money left in the bank, as long as there were still checks left. So you probably got that from grandma's side. 

[00:03:37] Molly: Yeah, for real. But I, um, yeah, that's what I remember is that the people behind the counter and.

[00:03:45] Mike: I know you came in during a stressful time. And I always say that you were the only employee that we could have that could tell her boss that she hated the job. Yes. Still. Yes. Still have the job. You remember that? I remember that that doesn't happen too often. People don't come in and just say they hate it and then just stick around.

But 

[00:04:08] Molly: You had a nice boss. I had a great boss, but yeah. Took that for granted. I think, you know, in a current job, no matter how you're feeling, you can't say that. So I'm glad I got it out then maybe it's that different, you know, it set my expectations differently than I thought, I guess now in jobs, sometimes you wish that you could say that.

Yeah, I definitely had that 

freedom. 

[00:04:25] Mike: Yeah. So if I remember you came in for crunch time for like a week or something to get us by venue, then you were gone for a year or two. Then you came back. 

[00:04:35] Molly: Yeah, I think it also was, um, sports and stuff like that. But if I remember correctly, I think I came on, it was either the summer between my sophomore and junior year of high school or summer between junior and senior year, which I guess that's a normal age to be working a job like that.

Would you say: 

[00:04:53] Mike: I know I started when I was, I started when I was 13 there, but I know that yeah, 16 or 16 or 17, there are some different rules that there's actually, there's actually different rules in a pharmacy. Well, not in a pharmacy, but in general, there's different retail rules, but you can actually work your children don't always fall under those as far as I remember.

And maybe I just, maybe I just made that up, but I think it's true. I think the kids don't have to have the same, you know, they can, they can work later. You'll see that sometimes like in a party store or something where a daughter of the boss, you know, or a child will be there later with them and so on because 

[00:05:32] Molly: their family 

[00:05:34] Mike: yeah.

They fall under you. All right. So what did you hate about working? 

[00:05:40] Molly: I think I was overwhelmed because there was a lot. And I think it w there w there were a lot of even like names of prescriptions and things that, like, I remember I was working, um, started working as a point of sales. So a lot of it was, and it was neighborhood faces and people would come in and I'd greet them.

And I loved that aspect of it. But even if someone would ask me a question about one of the, you know, over the counter medications or abandoned or something like that, it was really easy for someone who was training me or anyone else at the pharmacy for them, it was a very simple, like, well, read the back of the box to them for me, I think I was always like, I feel like I'm kind of a fraud here.

Like, I feel like I'm, don't really know exactly what I'm talking about and looking back at it. That's what I think my anxiety was, but back then, it probably was more. Fear of embarrassing myself, I think, um, just because it was a, it was pretty serious that, you know, it's not like I was serving them pizzas or something like that.

People would come in and I instantly was like, okay, this is someone's, this is health, this is medication. And I just didn't quite understand it. And I think I still have some of those anxieties today where it's like, I, if I don't know everything, then I feel like I'm not the one that should be helping.

Um, but also it was a very, um, and you know, this, but it was, you, you were kind of thrown into things because like you said, you were in a point where you, you needed things to get done sometimes. And I also would be in, so I'd be in a point where I, you know, have a box in my hand or something like that. And I, at somewhere someone would hand me a box and they'd say, you know, do this and that with this.

And I'd be standing there thinking, what, what do they want me to do? 

[00:07:18] Mike: If you didn't have an option, then they already, they already gave you the. 

[00:07:22] Molly: Exactly. And, uh, and it's so funny that now that I'm going through all of this, it's like, I would love a job like that now where it's very much like you have a task, get it done, you know, prove that year is supposed to be here and get work, however you can.

But when I was 16, I thought I would get that box and think, well, now I am probably more likely than not going to do this wrong. And I think that was always my fear. And that turned into maybe a bigger anxiety of walking in in the morning, just thinking, well, shoot, I'm probably going to mess something up.

And, and this was always really cool to see is Megan who. My older sister. So the second in our family, she really liked it. And she was working with, you know, insurance companies and stuff like that. And I remember looking at her when I was always stressed, working at a point of sales and looking up at her and she was just looking on the phone, you know, like writing stuff down just seemed like she really understood what was happening.

And I always felt like I was just trying to figure out what I was even doing there in the first place. Yeah. Before 

[00:08:26] Mike: full disclosure, two weeks ago, we got home from Megan's wedding where she married one of the young men that was on the staff with her. Right. Oh, and you too. Yeah, that's right. That's 

[00:08:42] Molly: right.

And that's another, like I remember being on the phone, there's a lower counter and upper. At the pharmacy. And I would be in the lower counter on the phone and Adam who is now my brother-in-law I'd get off the phone. And he would say something probably pretty constructive, you know, like I'd hang up the phone and he'd say, you know, next time, like maybe tell them this, or next time, like ask this or that.

And I would hang up the phone and be like, I don't ever want to do that again. Cause I don't ever want Adam to have to tell me something different. So it was totally on me looking back at it. It's like any job I would have taken probably would have had that same thing. But I think I always felt like I'm being watched more than other people.

And he's just trying to find something that I'm doing wrong. But actually we should talk about that because I didn't, I tried to find a different job and then came right back to the pharmacy. 

[00:09:34] Mike: Well, that might've been one of the times where you came in and said, you hated it, you know, and you're going, looking elsewhere and things like that.

And I'm like, all right, well, see, you know, 

[00:09:43] Molly: Yeah. And that's something about me is it's like, I can, I like to complain, but then when it comes down to it, I also, I wanted to make money so badly back then, because I could see kind of into the future. Um, so can you see how pharmacy fits into my future, but I saw how working there did, so it was a constant.

All right. 

[00:10:02] Mike: So those were the main, so those were a couple of main things. Any other things you remember that you hated? You 

[00:10:09] Molly: now, I think I didn't w when I got into doing, um, being a, what do you, what do you call it? A field tech. Yeah. Um, where I was actually filling the prescriptions. I liked that better because it was more of a, um, it was very standardized, like various systematic approaches.

Um, and so instead of having a customer come in and not know what they were going to ask for, um, which was, I think. Made me, like I said earlier, fearful of like, okay, well, what if they ask for something that I can't do? And then I have to find someone and ask them for help being a field tech. It was more like, okay, I'm just going to be behind the counter.

I'm going to have this script in my hand, I'm going to fill this. But even then it was a lot like fending for yourself, which is so good and so helpful for people in future jobs. I feel like, but yeah, in the moment, I think that was another thing that I didn't especially like, and I think it was hard to work with family too, you know, whereas the person I was asking, most of my questions too, was my older brother.

I was like, well, I don't want to bother him. But yeah, it wasn't as bad as I made it seem 

[00:11:19] Mike: Well, part of it then too is that's right. When a lot of the roles were switching. So we didn't have, we didn't have the guidelines that we have now. And I think it's easier to, it shouldn't be, but it's easier to push around a family member.

You don't have to worry so much about being. Choosing your words and being polite sometimes. And I think sometimes the family members get the brunt of that. I think a lot of your stuff that I'm hearing centered around being anxious there, and that's where some of that came from, it wasn't necessarily being bored or working too hard.

It was probably anxiety. 

[00:11:58] Molly: No, I don't think it was boring. And I actually really enjoyed that. It was a lot like the pharmacist that we had. There are a few part-time pharmacists. I'm sure a lot of them are still there, but I, I genuinely felt supported by them and I never really felt like I was stressing them out if I were to ask them a question, because if you're going to the pharmacist for a question, it's probably because it's actually a medical question that needs to be answered by 

[00:12:23] Mike: yourself.

You are probably anxious, 

[00:12:25] Molly: But inside of myself, I was anxious. And I think the boredom, like if it was ever a morning that it was very slow, then I was that's when I realized. This isn't that bad. I'm here right now with these people, my age, these pharmacists, that I like, um, this is a pretty good job not to mention.

I only had probably four hour shifts at a time, but yeah, I think a lot of what I dealt with at the pharmacy was probably anxiety, which was coming out in other places, you know, other things in my life too. And when I was younger, I played sports. Right. And so I think, I think, yeah, a lot of it was anxiety.

I remember like driving up to the pharmacy would give me anxiety, um, you know, like heart racing and things like that 

[00:13:07] Mike: later. Shit you think about was that anxiety and your mind in the morning later shift 

[00:13:14] Molly: is that anxiety and your mind, I don't know, school got out at 2 45, the leadership that was busy enough and it was kind of fun at two

busy enough and it was kind of fun at school. I was like, have I got it elsewhere? But really it was like, I fit in my front myself for being. I'm so glad I go to work, then it wasn't really, it was more 

[00:13:42] Mike: than it was like 

[00:13:42] Molly: I 

[00:13:43] Mike: just, as I look back at my career at the pharmacy back in 2011 and how we cut her hours down to

But as I looked at him, I realized it was called that some of those days I'd wake up at six or seven. I'll have to go into the pharmacy at like six o'clock. And so getting anxious, learning about it, I was just anxious about it because I knew that I had to put in let's say six or seven, one to 10 to go into the fight, to put in like nine hours and deal.

I'd be thinking, you know, maybe some employee Constance wasn't because I knew that I had to cut it from dealing with, and then also 10 potentially to put Alex and some of those might've come at like, you know, maybe since 30 at night. So I had to be ready to go at six in the morning until nine 30 or 10 at night.

And some people may want to meet, like after work or something. I had to be like, why do you go for 16 hours

or something? I had to be like, ready to go. 

[00:14:54] Molly: Right. These are the situations where I was never stressed about having some new detectability ability, different for sure. My best friend. That's a good way to pinpoint clearly anxieties. I wasn't. And I think these are the and I don't know if I was you being the overly anxious about it as trying to,

trying to decide what might happen in about half the working hours. So that was stressful. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's just coming out. There's a lot of talk about stress in childhood. 

[00:15:29] Mike: I don't think it was stressed that we shared. I think we had a genetic disposition to probably anxiety. I had a lot thrown on me at a younger age.

You've got the pressure, but you don't have the tools they don't share. I think he had a title. We had a genetic trait that I like to throw out titles, but I heard it was in that double bond that got it kind of coming from both sides. me at a younger 

[00:15:57] Molly: age. And that's maybe why I complained when I was working there.

Cause that was my way of saying this. Wasn't what I wanted to be doing. When in reality, 

[00:16:05] Mike: I probably should have been crushed. Then, you don't have to do what you have to do. Not that I like to throw a title, you don't trust that year old. Man's going to say, well, on that double bind where you're, where you're, you've got it kind of coming from both sides and no clear definition of what your power is.

[00:16:27] Molly: Right. And that's maybe why I complained while I was working there. Cause that was my way of saying, you know, your 

[00:16:32] Mike: way out of it. That's exactly 

[00:16:33] Molly: right. Yeah. This isn't what I want to be doing. When in reality, I probably should have been going in saying, look, I've been anxious about this or that, but you don't have to talk like that when you're, when you're 16 or let alone ever.

[00:16:45] Mike: And, and, and the, and then you, you don't trust that year old. Man's going to say, well, well, all right, well, good. Well, I'll go out. And so I go out and do it. All right. So when you were there mainly at the store, did you ever have dreams of saying, you know, when I work, I'm going to be doing Y instead of X, because I'll never do.

This X again. And what, what was that that you thought you might do someday? Did you know? Or 

[00:17:14] Molly: it's hard to say anything other than when I was in high school, I knew people would ask, are you going to take over the pharmacy some day? And I'd say, absolutely not. Not exactly, but I already knew at that point too, that I wasn't going into anything medical.

And so I also, and maybe that's another part of the pharmacies that I didn't have that really wanted to get to know the medications or what they did necessarily. I think I did always love it, I liked the people aspect of being at the pharmacy. Um, so that was fun if people would come in and just chat and stuff like that.

And then I also, at that point, knew that I liked it, I loved my English class. So in high school, that's where I was at with that is that I knew I didn't want to go into the medical field. And then other than that, I was just looking at, you know, my high school classes. That's really all I was thinking about. Um, And then going into college, while I was still working at the pharmacy.

I think my freshman and sophomore year of college, I was also nannying. I had a few different nanny jobs and I was also going to grand rapids community college for awhile. And I think there, I think the entire time I was at GRCC, I was thinking I was going to go into journalism or PR or communications or something like that.

But you have to keep in mind. I was also coming from, I was seeing you as a business owner. So I remember, I don't know if I can name, drop some, some places here, but I remember seeing things like 8 30, 4, you know, marketing and PR that's here in grand rapids. And I remember stumbling upon their website and going upstairs, uh, to you and mom and being like, look, I just found my dream job.

Um, but it wasn't working for them. It was like, this is what I want it to be doing. 

[00:18:54] Mike: So that was the first time you thought it was. Kind of cool to see your old man in, in the business role, but you knew he didn't want to do the medical in that like, you know, retail setting. Yeah. 

[00:19:08] Molly: Yeah. And it was cool.

And I think maybe then I didn't hear even much of like the running a business from you, but I knew that like you got to do the interviewing the employees and just giving people jobs in general was like, kind of felt exciting to me, not to mention the fact that when I did go up there and say, talk about 8 30, 4, you were like, oh yeah, I know so-and-so.

So it was also, I just knew that there was a whole community around it too. 

[00:19:29] Mike: Sometimes I might've fibbed a little bit. I, I happened to have known her, but sometimes it's like, I might know them in the sense that I know that they're from grand rapids or something like that. No, I really knew I would never, I never teased you.

I do remember the time though, Molly, about five years ago, or so you said to me, dad, I realized that. I realized that all the times I asked you questions that you were not always right. Or something like that. It wasn't something like that. Or maybe say that you lied on purpose. 

[00:20:01] Molly: No, I think it was, I think I was giving you a compliment.

I think I was saying,

I think it was, I think I felt really good about saying that to you because I think when I was younger, I used to ask you, you know, how kids ask all these questions? Um, I think I still ask those questions into adulthood, but you would always give me an answer. So it was never, I catch myself like when I'm nannying or talking to younger siblings, My response most of the time is, you know, I'm not sure, or I'm not sure let's figure 

[00:20:30] Mike: That's out, but then you'd go on.

Like, my dad would say, he said, I don't know, but they need to go on and talk for 30 minutes about it. Okay. Right. 

[00:20:37] Molly: And I say, I don't know, don't say anything. And you wouldn't say, I don't know, you'd say, well, that's because of this and that. And oh, I see where the offensive part comes in

because you'd say this and that. And then I'd sit there probably for about five seconds saying that's definitely not. Right. Even like my six year old self and be something about the stars or

a lot of them were. Right. And, um, so no, that was like a kudos to you for not doing 

[00:21:09] Mike: confident. Just like, I don't know, just like, I don't know. I would say something to you. 

[00:21:13] Molly: You would say something and then I was like, okay. And that was, that was also probably your text and got me to stop talking because then I probably wouldn't, didn't keep asking the same question over and over again.

[00:21:21] Mike: Um, I don't know. All right. So at some point then, uh, so you, you come in with that, but then eventually now you had to go to school or didn't have to go, but you were, we, we like to, we, we, we encourage it. And so, well, how did you decide what you're going to do in school knowing that you weren't going to take over the family business?

Like no one was going to have the kids. Um, 

[00:21:48] Molly: Well that was the coolest part of going to GRCC, I think. And I fought it for a long time. 

[00:21:52] Mike: You know, the community college in town 

[00:21:55] Molly: here. Yep. Yep. It's Grand Rapids Community College, which I would recommend for anyone to go there, especially if you don't know what you're going to do, just because it was like a time it was a buffer zone for me, but I was still taking all the credits that I needed.

But what I'm realizing is that sometimes you take one class in school or I would hear your story is like, when you take a class and you're super interested in it, like, that's how, you know, that's what you're, you're going to do. That was not the case for me. Cause I think I took a lot of classes where I was like, Nope, absolutely not.

Um, I don't ever want to do that again, but then the classes that I did, like I think just confused me more because I was like, this is, this is great. But like, this is an English, you know, 2 0 1 class where I'm writing short stories or whatever. And, and, um, but yeah, when I was at GRCC, so I worked at the PR, I worked at the pharmacy probably like 18 hours a week.

Um, I had a couple of nanny jobs. Um, really, I think I was just trying to stay busy to the point where I didn't have to be home all that much because I was so frustrated that all my friends were moving in like that. So I was just trying to keep myself busy, uh, which worked out because the things I was doing to keep myself busy also, um, paid me.

So, um, so I was paying my way through GRCC. At that point, there were a few times where I did consider nutrition as a degree, because I think, um, and I don't know if that had anything to do with the pharmacy or not, but I've always been kind of interested in that. And I think pharmaceuticals for me were always like, uh, I liked kind of like the challenging, like you always wanted to challenge pharmaceuticals, you know, it's easy to get wrapped up in that this is what's what's prescribed and things like that.

So nutrition was kind of the counter of that, where it was like, okay, well, what can we first try to prevent with nutrition? Um, that was for sure, always interesting to me. Um, and now I'm plant-based so that makes sense. 

[00:23:40] Mike: You're 

[00:23:40] Molly: plant-based and plant-based now, uh, mostly probably because I just loved figuring things out and, you know, kind of like doing the studies and things like that, but then I.

The business side of things. So I guess I should say what I'm doing right now. I'm in sales right now, so well, so, 

[00:23:58] Mike: so you, you went to school, then you went to the, uh, state school and you graduated, you graduate with a business 

[00:24:06] Molly: degree. Yep. So I, I did my associates in GRCC saving, but then you got a 

[00:24:11] Mike: business degree, a few hours away from 

[00:24:13] Molly: here.

Yep. Then I went to school up north, got my business degree. It was communications and business still at that point, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. I had a couple, I had a marketing internship. Marketing was fun. It was what I wanted to be doing, but I still would, would go home and say like, why? Like, why was I just doing that?

You know, What was the purpose behind it? What was the purpose behind it? Because, like I said before, I like, I like getting paid. Obviously everyone likes working to get some money from it, but then it was, I would still go home and think that's not enough for me to just know that I'm benefiting the owner of this company.

Okay. 

[00:24:53] Mike: So then you got, then you got a job and it seems like there may be wasn't you didn't see the purpose, the bigger purpose in that. 

[00:25:04] Molly: So, yeah, after I graduated from college, then I got my real estate. Cause I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. I like writing short stories. I wrote a vegan children's book just for fun.

I was living at home. So I had a little bit of time and I didn't have crazy student loans cause I did the community college thing. Cause it has like, you know what, like what, what do I really just genuinely, like I was trying to take the business that successful business. People's advice like Barbara Corcoran, for instance, she's always like to do a lot of.

So sit down and do a column of what you love and what you hate. And she said, and don't do what you hate. So my love column, real estate, was really high up there because I always knew that I liked real estate and that just like the cool house, cool houses and HDTV aspect of it. I knew that I really liked the investing side of it.

I liked even paperwork and stuff like that. It was like, okay, someone has to be as automated as real estate. Yeah. Someone has to be there just as a guide for whoever's buying their house. You don't only need to find a house for someone else, but you do need to be the guide. So I knew that about real estate.

So I wrote that in my love list. I wrote that I loved people. I wrote that I didn't want to have, you know, a desk job. That was something that I thought I would have hated. So then I got my real estate license because I was like, this is something that I can do in the next few weeks. I can get my license.

I'll feel like I'm actually being productive instead of just sitting here, twiddling my thumbs, waiting for a job to come up. 

[00:26:33] Mike: Okay, so then a job, but then a job comes along. And the last thing you said, you hated a desk job, but where did you find yourself then calling, calling up your mom and dad complaining.

What were you, what were you, what were you doing all day? Where were you in prison? 

[00:26:51] Molly: So I was working as a leasing agent at a job, and honestly I loved being the leasing agent. I hated being the property manager. 

[00:27:04] Mike: Um, you're callin you say the toilet was clogged up in that spot and 

[00:27:07] Molly: That's so the first part of my job was leasing these apartments.

I was good at it. Um, I loved meeting new people every day. I love not being in an office. Um, and then all of a sudden, one of our properties started getting more filled up and they said, we're going to put you there. You're going to manage the property and then be a leasing agent. And it was pretty much not long after I was stuck in one spot that I was, I think, calling you and mom.

Why don't we do it like, this ? 

[00:27:33] Mike: This is the right list. 

[00:27:35] Molly: It was on my hate list for sure. And I 

[00:27:38] Mike: are sitting at the place the whole time 

[00:27:39] Molly: and I tried to counteract it by coming up with all these, um, what I thought would be beneficial for the company, like coming up with programs and things that I thought would help and long story short.

Um, I ended up realizing, okay, if I want to keep doing real estate, it's probably not here. 

[00:27:52] Mike: Wait a minute. I have a question. D how often did you go to your boss and tell him that you hate your job? 

[00:28:00] Molly: Um, I said it in a different way. I think I was more productive about it. Let's just say 

[00:28:07] Mike: that. All right. So you told them that you knew it was time to move 

[00:28:11] Molly: on.

I knew it was time to move on, but I didn't, I didn't even go in there and say giving an ultimatum. It was more like I tried for a few months to be like, here's the processes that I think need to be in place. So that one of us doesn't have to sit there all day when it's, when I'm still working on these other properties or whatever it was.

So then this is the really funny part. I took a very. Much desk job. And that's what I'm doing right now, but it was just so that I had something to do. In the meantime, while I was in real estate, whoever's holding your license. Normally it's your broker and they get a part of any sales that you do.

Um, so I really just had to get my license out of there to do whatever I wanted to do next. Um, so right now I am working a sales job where I sit at a desk basically from eight to five 30. 

[00:28:56] Mike: All right. So Y so if you knew you hated that, why didn't you go right from your, why didn't you go right from your being in the prison as a leasing agent to something else?

How did you get, why did you get it? Why'd you go back to the desk job? So 

[00:29:16] Molly: I went back to the desk job because, well, first of all, I was considering going back to school, um, to become a counselor, um, because I had really positive experiences. And I thought that being a people person meant that I should probably just be sitting across from a person all day.

Um, so that was part of it. Why I didn't just want to jump back into real estate. I think the other part of it, and as I'm realizing this more and more, I've been in this job for three months now, is that I didn't want to go back into real estate. And I do appreciate them, like being in a position where you need the money so much that you make it happen no matter what.

But I also was like, okay, I'm paying rent right now. I have a dog, I have responsibilities. And I didn't want 

[00:29:55] Mike: Those dogs. It's my grandson. 

[00:29:58] Molly: Yeah. Well, Mason, he's so cute. Um, so he's definitely worth it. So I didn't want to not be able to feed him, take him to the vet. 

[00:30:07] Mike: You need some financial security until you decide what your real then we're going to do back in real.

Exactly. 

[00:30:13] Molly: Exactly. Yeah, but I, yeah, cause I, like I said, I get the whole, you know, be so desperate that you need to make it happen, but I also didn't want there to be any reason that I tried it and then stopped doing it because of financial reasons. So I didn't want it to be that I had this, these great ideas for real estate and then just tried it, wasn't making money from it and stopped it altogether.

Right. Um, but I also needed a job that I wasn't too anxious about. I knew that a desk job, I probably wasn't going to be anxious. I was probably just going to not love it. That's big. And I needed something pretty mindless so that I could generate some ideas for my business. And you know, the job that I'm doing right now, it does have commissions.

So that's enough to keep me a little bit motivated at this job too. So now I transferred my real estate license and I'm really trying to. Create for the first time a brand that's me, because I think what I'm realizing is that I don't do well making money for someone else. If that's the, if that feels like it's the top purpose of what I'm doing.

Um, like in my finance classes in college, the purpose of finance is literally to make money for the owners of the company. Um, our professor would have us repeat after him. Like your job is to make money for the owners of the company. That's what all of this comes down to. Um, I remember leaving and being like, what are they talking about?

Like that's what, 

[00:31:47] Mike: What was that incentive? Was that incentive to have you do something on your own? Or was he just saying, um, don't lose focus, don't lose 

[00:31:55] Molly: focus. Like if you're working, because a lot of the classes I was taking in school were like, they wanted you to get internships with, uh, Say like Chevrolet or Ford or, um, Chico and stuff like that.

So they were like, don't lose sight of why you're doing all of this nitty-gritty finance stuff. Like the purpose of this is to make the numbers work, that you're making money for the owners. And I liked stats. I liked finance. I like figuring out how to launch businesses. I like the startup phases of things, but I also think, like for instance, I could easily use my veganism and possibly start a business, or possibly start a brand around that.

But I also am super passionate about real estate and it's something that I can teach other people to do as well. That's going to make them money. It's, it's, it's very, it's, it's hard to explain right now because I'm still trying to figure it out. 

[00:32:45] Mike: And are you going to, and, and how long you don't want to give away the, your, uh, to your current bosses, but are you going to be doing that side by side?

I 

[00:32:55] Molly: think for a bit. So basically 

[00:32:57] Mike: There's a lot of hours in the day. 

[00:32:59] Molly: There's a lot of hours in the day. Um, and a lot of it is time blocking. Um, which half of the podcasts and books I read right now are based around, um, real estate and real estate investing real estate sales. The other half is based on social media, marketing, and time management.

Self-love finding your purpose, launching your passion to a career. Um, so I'm very much trying to intertwine that I didn't, I 

didn't 

[00:33:24] Mike: hear about listening to mine in that sounds like, sounds like it was 50% on both. Maybe squeezing it, maybe squeezing a squeeze in a percent for your pop up once in awhile, 

[00:33:35] Molly: listening to your, I did listen to your I've listened to a few episodes and I, so what's different.

[00:33:40] Mike: What's different now. W you started out for. Let's say a few months out of school and real estate sold some houses and then decided to go with the leasing agent. What's different? Now, what have you learned in the last couple years that says you're maybe ready to do this again? 

[00:34:03] Molly: I think it's realizing that there is space in real estate for me to be myself, I guess, as cheesy as it sounds there's space for me to not only do it differently because there's plenty of real estate agents approaching it in a different way, but there's only one real estate agent that's me.

So by, yeah. So if I can recognize that I can create this brand and I don't have to immediately listen to someone else's advice, there's a big difference between finding a mentor and following them, and then selecting everything you've learned from them and applying only. Works for you in your business, right?

The difference between doing that, then, is to just follow in someone's footsteps so that you feel like you're doing what you wanted to do in the first place, which I think I've done already in real estate. I've done it in other jobs. And I think maybe it's just because I'm a few years older, um, and realizing this now, but yeah, there's, there's space for me there to 

[00:35:07] Mike: build your brand.

Let's talk about, let's talk about marketing methods and I don't mean hand to hand combat of taking people to lunch and joining a club and things like that, but on the front of advertising all the way from, uh, TV, radio, you know, flyers, social media, Billboards or if I didn't say that yet yard signs, how much, how much of that is social media?

What percent is social media out of the things that I just mentioned there? 

[00:35:47] Molly: Well, I can only speak for myself right now and what I think is going to happen for my business right now, social media is probably 75% or it's going to be for me, 

[00:36:01] Mike: it'd be higher than that. Well, 

[00:36:03] Molly: the reason being is that there's a lot of connections to be made within the real estate world.

So there's a huge part of it. That's trying to, like for me, my main thing is I want to connect with people who are in the same exact spot that I am right now, because I can't pretend to know anything other than what I know about real estate, you know, the nitty gritties of it. 

[00:36:26] Mike: And then I also know, so 25% of that is time spent going to lunch with them and 

[00:36:32] Molly: meeting.

Being in the world of real estate, offline, meaning yes. Soaking it all up, learning and things like that. But I guess if we're talking about marketing, then I might be more, um, and I could even, I could even say that mine is going to be closer to a hundred percent, especially after this first phase of, of getting to know everything cause marketing right now, for me, it's like, I would love to do more off market deals, which is easier said than done.

So marketing right now is, yeah, it's right now it's 25% of, of doing what we just talked 

[00:37:04] Mike: about. I 

[00:37:06] Molly: think that the MLS, because once they hit the MLS, it's a, so 

[00:37:10] Mike: would that 25% of non-social B could it still be, did you mean that it's just not social to your customers, but you still might use it as that 25% might be social to your.

Colleagues or do you mean that, that 25%, you'll probably find a different way to get to your colleagues by taking them to lunch and going golfing with them and meeting them at bars or 

[00:37:39] Molly: whatever? Yeah, I think it could be like, for instance, today I had, um, a conversation during my lunch break with a mortgage lender that I had previous clients use, um, which was beneficial for me.

But then there's also aspects of that that I'm like, okay, now I can probably take this content and maybe turn it into something that ends up being social media. Um, there's also situations where you're going out for drinks for a couple hours a night with a friend that you might not even know you're going to talk about real estate and then you end up talking about it.

Um, and then you end up being their agent. So I think you have to factor that in. Otherwise you start forgetting that there's human interaction 

[00:38:15] Mike: humans there. What, the reason I, the reason that our audience right now is, is mainly pharmacists. But, you know, pharmacies took a pretty decent hit with like 600 pharmacists getting booted from, um, WalMart and 200 Walgreens pharmacies being closed.

And so a lot of pharmacists now, and they might be sitting in the car riding right now, um, are listening closely. I believe because even though this is real estate, they're going to be looking for jobs either in the pharmacy market or RN or in other things. And a big part of that is, is creating their brand and a.

And so Molly, the, so once, once, once you go, let's say whatever the percentage is, let's say it's 70 or 80 or 90 or a hundred percent social once you hit social. Uh, and that's going to include, uh, podcasts, YouTube, um, Instagram, you know, Facebook, um, you know, Snapchat, all those other tick tock, all those other things that you kids do nowadays on the internet.

Um, give me a rundown of what percentage are you going to, what percentage do you think you'll be spending on each? 

[00:39:50] Molly: Instagram is going to be huge. Um, I'm already on time. So my first, just a few weeks ago, I did my first post on Instagram, on my personal page, because I was like, this is going to, if I'm building a personal brand, I should just start with who I already am.

It's going to be a law there, mostly for the visual aspect of it. So a huge part of what I've been trying to do is make everything very visually pleasing. It's like presets on photos. I'm doing most of the photos of my face because everyone's used to seeing a crappy photo of a house. And when you're talking about real estate, so if I can put my face on there as much as they can, let them know what I'm doing, talk about my own personal process in real estate.

That's going to be a huge part of it because I will be investing in houses and stuff like that here within the next year. So Instagram's going to be huge for visual storytelling. Um, YouTube is going to be a pretty big for me as well, because I want to do like walk through is a potential properties that I would invest in and then have something at like either in the middle of the video or whatever that breaks down the numbers in a super simple way, like something that I would want to see.

So if there's a house in a market it's just listed as a YouTube visual, but then you can also, um, use it for blog content and stuff like that. So YouTube is going to be very, it's something that I can take and place wherever I need it to be. Or I can take part of my YouTube video and put it on my Instagram story.

So YouTube, even if people aren't going to YouTube and searching my name, um, it's going to be a platform that I will probably need to use Facebook. There's still a place for Facebook. Well, not even Facebook is, has become, uh, a landing page for, for the information on your, your business. You know, Yeah.

[00:41:35] Mike: Facebook is almost like the website of social media now. Yep. 

[00:41:39] Molly: Yep. It's a special form of everything that's on your website, so it can get a little more wordy. Yeah. 

[00:41:44] Mike: It's got your hours catching things. It's got space for pictures and posts and calendars and all 

[00:41:49] Molly: that. Yep. So, and then Pinterest is really, it's going to be a lot of, um, using other ads to bring traffic to my website.

So it, 

[00:42:00] Mike: I have Pinterest, I think Pinterest is a lady thing just like YouTube has a ton of really, really trends towards men. I think Pinterest is 

[00:42:09] Molly: ladies. I think there are a lot of women on Pinterest, but also Pinterest is interesting because it's really like an SEO thing more than it is a social platform.

Like I would probably not be publishing much content onto Pinterest, but I would probably be. Re pinning or, or maybe doing a photo from one of my blogs on Pinterest, but it's really, you want to drive traffic to your website from Pinterest? No, one's you're you don't really want people to stay on Pinterest, as much as you, if you were on Instagram, you would want people to stay on your page on 

[00:42:40] Mike: Instagram, but it's not SEO in terms of Google scraping it or something like that.

Right. I mean, it's just like, it's just a way to 

[00:42:48] Molly: it's like, if you typed in something on Pinterest, you would type in the first few words of what you knew that you were doing, and then you would wait for that third keyword to pop up and then that's how you would know. What to be pending, like we're going to be driving people.

I don't 

[00:43:02] Mike: get, I don't get Pinterest. I understand all the other ones, but it's crazy. It's kinda, because it's a lady thing that I just don't understand. It's 

[00:43:10] Molly: also totally different. It's something that's super different if you're on the consumer side of it, or if you're on the business side of it, it's very different because they're just, they're used in totally different ways.

Um, we're Instagram, it's kind of the same across the board. You 

[00:43:22] Mike: know, Pinterest may be because I don't, as long as I have my phone, I'm happy and my computer I'm happy, but Pinterest is maybe focused more on, on like product and house design and, and, and that kind of stuff, maybe, which I don't really have a huge interest.

I don't have any money, but partially I don't have a huge interest in those objects, I guess. 

[00:43:45] Molly: Right. But to bring this back to the pharmacy who was on, um, I was listening to one of your episodes. In fact, um, she called herself a rebel. 

[00:43:54] Mike: Yeah, that was, um, that was, I shot Dr. Rashad. 

[00:43:58] Molly: Yep. Dr. Asha. And I thought that was interesting.

So after I was listening to the episode, I went on, um, just to kind of see like, you know, what she was doing. She used a lot of like acronyms and things like that. Um, so I was trying to like trying to figure out, I was like, okay, if she calls herself a rebel pharmacist, like, what would that mean? Say I had gotten involved in the pharmacy world and then discovered being plant-based and then what are with, or if someone lost her job in pharmacy, I was starting to think if I wanted to stay a pharmacist and not practice pharmacy, what would I do?

And I instantly applied the same thing. It's like how I said, there's a space for me in real estate. Um, there's a space for someone who's not traditionally practicing pharmacy. There's still a space for them in the pharmacy. And I think a lot of that is creating. Your personal brand, because how many times do I hear, but pharmacists and I, I don't, I don't have a, a face to a name or I don't even really care about the name.

I picture Walgreens. If I had someone who knew the ins and outs of pharmacy, which I think is what's cool about the podcast that you're doing and, and everyone else coming out with their own podcast or Dr. Asha and how she's talking about being rebel pharmacist and, um, how she's training and teaching people about their bodies and also about pharmacy.

Um, there's just, there's so much there because now we can have these platforms for ourselves, which can be dangerous. It's dangerous that people can create a platform, but you're already a pharmacist you're already licensed. You're already in the field. So, so take what you know, and do something with it besides filling prescriptions behind the counter.

I don't know if that makes sense, but there's so many things that you can apply from knowing social media and marketing and things like that. 

[00:45:44] Mike: Do you see that helping the pharmacist in. A larger capacity, like still working for a hospital and so on. Or do you see it more as being able to do some side jobs, side hustles, whatever you want to call it on their own?

[00:46:01] Molly: I think it goes hand in hand. It might not necessarily be like how I am in real estate, if you would call it lead generation, if you got a lead from, you know, your social media or something like that for pharmacy, it's not so much that you would be posting to try to get someone to come into your pharmacy.

And that might happen that way, that if you're in a town like grand rapids, someone might be like, oh my gosh, Seeing this pharmacist he's hilarious on, on this and that. 

[00:46:25] Mike: How many people come in for selfies with me and signatures on it? 

[00:46:29] Molly: That's exactly what I mean. Yeah. You might want to share with your viewers that, uh, not true.

Um, but no, I think it would be more, and I don't think it has to be like something on the side. You might be doing it when you're not working in the pharmacy, 

[00:46:45] Mike: But, but you're saying though, that that raises the awareness of them for a job in a bigger institution. 

[00:46:52] Molly: I don't know. But maybe it just takes you out of that for a little bit.

And I don't know, I don't know enough about like working for 

[00:47:00] Mike: Well some yeah, and sometimes it's just, you don't, you don't know. I mean, I'll just. S w give a quick tuning of my horn right now. But I think because of these podcasts, I just got invited by our local TV station to come on the, the morning show the S the third Wednesday of every month, you know, forever, or as, or until they've, you know, I'm not getting paid, but until they told me I can't come in and that came from this now, who knows what will happen from that?

So I don't, I think it's the old saying, like, I think the old saying is like, luck. Luck is, you know, luck is not really luck. It's doing, you know, thousands of things. And then you get lucky. I know I'm not even close, not even close on that saying, but it's something like, I know maybe it's you who create luck.

Yes. 

[00:47:55] Molly: That's it. I think that's 

[00:47:57] Mike: more, that's more pithy. You create, you create luck. That's what it was. 

[00:48:05] Molly: And they said when in doubt, just say that you're quoting Abraham Lincoln or

[00:48:11] Mike: That's right. No one knows. No one knows. Yes. The great, the great Abraham Lincoln said you create luck, 

[00:48:18] Molly: But it's so true because you wouldn't have been sure. You might've been discovered by, by filling prescriptions behind a counter, but you also, you might've been discovered by doing this podcast and someone might discover your pharmacy by listening to you on that show.

No, you never know it could be a cycle. And I don't even think there's enough research or enough people doing it to even be able to track something like that. Um, and what influences you, your business. But, um, it would be interesting and I think we're closer and closer to finding out, um, with what you're 

[00:48:47] Mike: doing.

Yeah. It's new, it's certainly a new, um, a new thing. Hey, let me stump you on one mile. I want to play devil's advocate. Um, if you use your own phase four, For your business, your own person. Here's the problem I have with that with some realtors where it's like, I signed up on Facebook mainly so I could, you know, stock them and gossip about their home life and, you know, say rude comments behind their back and things like that.

But I didn't think I was signing up for that to get advertised for their multi-level marketing or whatever. So for example, mine, my pharmacy is a different name than Mike Kelser. So when I'm Mike Kelzer no one knows typically I don't bring anything into that, but I have my separate thing.

How do you deal with that? People say, well, I want to be Molly's friend, but I don't want her to just sell me a house all the time. 

[00:49:52] Molly: Well, that's what is super fun about this is that I am Molly and I am doing real good. But real estate is not who I am. So my Instagram page is my brand, whether that means real estate or whatever it is that I do next, but it's also, it's an inside look at my life where I am practicing real estate, or I am looking for a house.

Also, It might just be me hanging out with my dog. The reason I'm doing this is because I know that I'll probably have another idea in the near future. And I want to be able to channel off of that and say, Oh, you've been saying that I've been practicing real estate a little bit because it won't be, like I said, it's not going to be the photos of houses and things like that.

It's going to be me who is practicing real estate. If I realize that I need a place to post these houses and stuff, that's when I name it, Molly kills a real estate, or that's when I said that I was also going to be a hundred other things that I might do that I want them to know that I'm still the same person doing that.

So that's the personal brand mixed with the, the business brand is it's a very fine line. Um, and I'm still figuring out how to do it, but also if I lose followers because of something like that, then you have to start thinking, okay, is that because I'm being pushy, which I really don't want, or is that because people are, you know, have their own opinions on where they're at in their lives or whatever it 

[00:51:14] Mike: is.

Yeah. And a couple of good things is that no one's running from you. Like, like when I go to a store and there's like, Girl scout cookies. I like go to a different dog. So I don't want to look cheap by not buying girl scout cookies, but no one's going to run from you because they, no, one's going to not want to look you in the eye because they're not buying the most recent house that you're talking about kind of thing.

And then secondly is I was just making that decision today because as I started doing some consulting off of this for, for people who might think I could share something with them behind the scenes, I'm going to come in at this as Mike Elzer. And one of the Mike tells her.com because one of the reasons is, is because I don't know where I'm going with things and I can, and that helps me pivot more quickly and people can argue and say, well, your brand is not as strong.

I was like, yeah, but I can pivot pivot quicker. And this is kind of, you know, kind of who I am now. What's that 

[00:52:17] Molly: that's a good word for it. 

[00:52:18] Mike: Well, I stole it from him though. I stole it from the last couple of people I interviewed. Um, w T all right. So right now I'm going to ask you two, two or three questions as we close here.

What, what is big on your mind now? Like what keeps you up with these bigger, this bigger life decision? What would be something that you're like? Hmm, I don't know about this. That I'm not sure about. Yeah. Like, like, like this next step, you're like, you know, and it could be like, am I, am I, am I doing this in the right city?

Am I making the right call? Should I be doing this instead? Should I be doing that? What kind of stuff? 

[00:53:00] Molly: What's like a big one. I know this is going to loop back to where we started is that I kind of feel sometimes it's called an, a lot of the people I listened to call it imposter syndrome, where you feel like a fraud, kind of, you feel like.

Like one of the podcasts I listen to as a photographer in Chicago, she called herself at first the photographer. Um, she was like, I don't know what I'm doing here. Um, so it was really what, what keeps me up sometimes is just all the second guessing. And I've found a way to get past that because a lot of times when I start second guessing I get into this whole rabbit hole of reasons why I shouldn't do it.

But if I'm only a second guessing my ability to do real estate, then right now it's as simple as like I was talking to my boyfriend, Charlie. And I was like, wait a minute. I wasn't, I really good at my leasing job. Like, wasn't I really good at that? And he was like, Hey, you like, like go to bed. Why? And I wasn't, I like it.

Wasn't I super good at it. And he was like, yeah, think of all the leases you got or whatever. And it's like, didn't, I try to create something really, really cool there that I want. That they wouldn't accept. So then I wanted to bring it to a new business and he's like, yes. Yeah. So it's like, you talk to yourself.

If you had a friend who was trying to start this business and you were like, they were, all you have to say is, look, you're good at it. 

[00:54:20] Mike: Treat them like you treat your treat. If you treated yourself, like you treated your friends more often, you'd be better to 

[00:54:27] Molly: yourself. You want, I mean, it's the same as when you look in the mirror, it's like we say, we always say so many things that you would, you would never say that to your friend, or if your friend says that they look then a picture, like you would never say the things that you say to yourself, same thing with your idea.

Like that's good advice. The things that keep you up at night, like really address where your anxieties are coming from. So it's like, for me, it's like, like I said, I could have that one anxiety of, or the one thought of. I don't know what I'm, you know, I don't belong here. I don't belong in the state. I just spent two hours looking at other real estate agents who are killing it out there.

And I have don't have that capacity if I can address that. That's really what I'm thinking of and not get stuck in this rabbit hole of, well, then I'll probably just do something else or whatever. If I can address that, I'm questioning my ability to practice real estate. Then it's as simple as saying, look, I'm good at it.

There's a space for you here. You can do it. So 

[00:55:15] Mike: that's, that is certainly true. But now I'm stuck on now. I'm stuck on the thought that maybe I should be calling this show, the business of pharmacy. What does that FAU X right now? I got to do that. I think the business of pharmacy, I guess I'm okay. All right.

Second question for you. Um, if you still had to have a job, but you could have. Money right now to have all of the help you needed assistance or whatever you need. What do you think you'd be doing? Like career-wise most of the day, whether it's, you know, writing or visiting this or talking to this, or what, what would you, what do you think you like to do actually during the day?

I think 

[00:56:14] Molly: it would have to be something where there's a human on the other side. So maybe it'd be like, I don't know, consulting, or maybe it's being someone's assistant or something as simple as just making sure that I have these real human interactions. Um, and I think also seeing like immediate results, whether it's it's for me in a business or for somebody else.

So I think if I had to choose to do something in real estate, I would probably just reach out to someone I can learn from and say, what can I do for you? Because I think if I'm going to have to make someone else money, it might as, it should probably be something. Um, in line with that, or I'd try to work at, I don't know, an animal sanctuary, you know, something just totally, but, uh, but no project management, marketing, things like that.

Um 

[00:57:00] Mike: that's and when you say human on the other side, you don't need to be, you don't need to be seeing them as long as you're typing to somebody or do you need to actually be around people? 

[00:57:11] Molly: I think it really like being around people I'm 

[00:57:13] Mike: finding, I like people a lot less as I get older, but that'll come to you.

Just wait, that'll come. 

[00:57:20] Molly: You'll get there. No, I, um, you know, but then I also do, I like working, like if someone gave me the option to go to a coffee shop and work or stay at home, I'd probably say, let me just stay at home with my dog. But I think if I had an option of sitting at a desk or going out and talking to people, I'd probably choose talking to people, but I think it's also depends on what you're doing.

You know, if someone was like, you have to go out and sell. Blenders to someone I'd probably say, you know, I don't know how to do that. 

[00:57:46] Mike: All right. Third question. Um, now someone says you, you gotta put everything on hold for a year. You've got plenty of money, but you gotta put all your business pretty much every business thought on hold, every social media thought on hold.

What, what would you, what would you do for a year? Not able to progress if you're not able to progress with your career or your schooling or whatever, how would you spend a year? 

[00:58:16] Molly: You mean, would I be working a nine to five or anything like that? 

[00:58:20] Mike: Well, you could, if you don't want to get paid for it, you're not going to get paid for it and you're not able to progress.

You're not able, you're not able to really improve yourself. What do you like to do? Would you play piano while. No, 

[00:58:33] Molly: probably not. Or maybe I wouldn't maybe. Yeah. Maybe I'd pick something and get really good at it. Or maybe I'd train for a marathon. Um, now I'd probably travel. I probably, um, I'd probably buy a van and go and travel with Mason.

Who's my dog, but there's lots of, lots of places I want to see. And I think I could learn a lot just from experience. 

[00:58:53] Mike: That's like when mom and I were in Paris, that was, that was, you've been to Paris. And I had mom and I had mom and I'd been to Paris, but we pretend we've been to Paris because all our 

[00:59:07] Molly: kids go, we got to get you guys out.

We got to get you guys to go do something like that. Yeah. I mean, now it's, um, I have not seen as many places w as I would like to see, and I'm slowly experiencing more things, but he had, if I had a year to just go off and, you know, even just going, going around the United States with, with my dog, it's really.

I love the idea of living. So, and that's, what's, I can picture myself with, you know, having a successful business and having money and stuff, but when it comes down to it, it's like, I know that I also would love to just automate everything, which is what I was trying to do in the leasing company I worked for.

It's like, I would love automating it. I'd love giving other people a chance to, you know, work for me and, and do their thing while I. I don't know. Well, I go meet new people and experience new things. Um, 

[00:59:57] Mike: yeah, people, people used to ask me if I, if I read the four hour work week and I thought, why do I want to increase my workload by, by two?

You know, 

[01:00:05] Molly: it's funny. I just listened to a podcast with Tim Ferriss today. It was on the bigger pockets podcast and Tim Ferriss is on it. And that was a pretty good episode, but 

[01:00:13] Mike: good idea. 

[01:00:13] Molly: But he does, he does. And he's, I'm really into meditating and stuff like that. So I think I would, I think I'd use a year to just really dig deep into myself, um, uh, travel I've spent some time, um, probably working out, um, really narrowing down on my, my diet and being plant-based and things like that.

Um, but more importantly, I would just find that whether you want to call it self-love or, or understanding yourself or self respect or whatever it is, um, I think that it's nearly impossible to start at an authentic brand, um, without deep yourself first. So maybe a year that'd be, that'd be ideal. 

[01:00:50] Mike: Yeah, yeah.

Year would be nice. I think I, yeah, I dunno what, I don't know what I would do, but that's not the question to me at this point. So you're sounds like a good plan or something. A good plan. Alright, Molly. Well, nice talking to 

[01:01:05] Molly: you. Yeah. Yeah. You too. Thanks for having me on. Maybe you'll invite me out again and I can, uh, maybe 

[01:01:11] Mike: after I left, I actually, I actually not only am invite Yana, invite you to the house for dinner tonight.

Perfect. Do you, um, how do people get ahold of you if they want to say 

[01:01:23] Molly: Hey, so right now, Instagram it's it's Molly. Causer MLL, O Y K O E L Z E R. And Instagram is where like, I'm going to post updates for like website and anything like that. So for now I'm on Instagram. Um, and then it'll probably be Molly culture.com.

I'm here in 

[01:01:37] Mike: a couple days. Is it Instagram? Is your, is your thing public? It is. Okay, because if it was, if it wasn't public, could they still message you or not? I 

[01:01:46] Molly: think they could still message me. I'd have to approve it, but Nope, it's public. So follow me, message me. And then you can also stay updated. I know most people probably aren't in this area who are listening, but might be fun to share ideas for branding and all of that.

[01:02:00] Mike: Okay, honey, love you. Thanks for coming 

[01:02:02] Molly: on. Thanks for having me, 

[01:02:04] Mike: right. Well, we'll see you in a bit. Bye.